Mike Papantonio appears on The Ed Schultz Show to discuss the real?intentions behind Glenn Beck’s upcoming Tea Party rally, to be held at the?same site (and on the anniversary of) Martin Luther King, Jr.’s famous “I?Have a Dream” speech.
Mike Papantonio appears on The Ed Schultz Show to discuss the real?intentions behind Glenn Beck’s upcoming Tea Party rally, to be held at the?same site (and on the anniversary of) Martin Luther King, Jr.’s famous “I?Have a Dream” speech.
I look forward to watching/listening to this and commenting!!!!
As for now – here’s how to handle these tea baggers – pay Close attention to what Rep. Alan Grayson has to say – go to this link and click on at 8:34:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn4QwZ6Kz6U
Folks – they Don’t call him the “Congressman With Guts” for nothing!!!!!!!!!!
I mentioned enough on this subject already but there are things I want to point out. Once again our Democratic leaders choose to stay quiet out of their own fears—namely that they won’t get re-elected. It’s all about protecting their own future and their total lack of integrity. That goes hand in hand with most politicians.
Also, I like how Mike quoted Michael Moore. That we are the most armed nation around. We arm ourselves because of the blacks, terror and now Muslims. Because we are a nation that runs on fear, especially the conservatives.
I remember a few months ago during the previous season of Real Time with Bill Maher, at the end of one of the episodes, Bill Maher essentially proved that the Tea Party is really a cult. And, as I’ve asked a few times, are these right-wingers really forming a well-regulated militia or just promoting themselves out of false fear with Democratic politicians they disagree with and/or don’t want in office?
Since it seems like education is dying badly in America, fear-mongering inevitably trumps a well-informed citizenry.
As for religion, maybe Christianity ought to remove the word “heathen” like Islam ought to remove the word “infidel” when it comes to either non-believers and/or those they profoundly disagree with. Thus, we must get over the all-or-nothing mentality. And, isn’t it funny how many “non-believers” tend to be more open-minded and tolerant of others than their religious counterparts? Would that be a conundrum?
Mara,
Thanks for the link with Alan Grayson!
NR,
The Tea Party is a cult, in a way. I don’t think they have a military type organization. They are an astro turf organization funded by big money interests–namely the Koch brothers. They have so many different agendas that keeps them from being totally organized in message. They are mad but they’re anger is unfocused in many ways.
As for religion, I could give a rat’s ass. Who cares what religion/non-religion Obama or anyone else is? NR, I totally agree that “non-believers” are more open minded and tolerant. Because under organized religion there are “rules.”
So how can believers see anything but their OWN way?
Well, I LOVE Mike and I Love that he’s on the Ed Schultz show a lot, because I Love Ed, too, Now, esp. after seeing him a great deal on this very site!!!
I hope Mike realizes how Deeply his many fans (and I am Certainly One of them) both Respect and Admire his views! I admit, I got a bit steamed yesterday, over what I perceived to be too much Obama-apologizing.
Then I read that article Colleen linked too, on the Koch Brothers, in the New Yorker – here it is again, for anyone who might be interested -
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
And I could understand, somewhat better, why Mike is defending Obama, although I still get upset by it when it comes for those things Obama and his admin. drop the ball on and get outRIGHT wrong -
Yeah, I Still get Steamed about that! I don’t like this ball-dropping in Any administration – I’m sorry, but I just Don’t and it was the Obama admin. saying that most of the oil was gone, and that Really got me ticked off!!!!
But then, I read that article, and look, it’s even subtitled very Tellingly:
“The billionaire brothers who are waging a war against Obama.”
Mike is So perceptive – he’s Just as brilliant as that Other Brilliant Mike – Michael Moore – and Mike Papantonio is my Hero!!!!
I haven’t yet finished my book: “Sex and War: How Biology Explains Warfare and Terrorism and Offers a Path to a Safer World” by Malcolm Potts -
which purports how to calm the rage, fear and violence in humans (that have biological underpinnings).
It’s very painful that we live in such a world. We must Keep On Keeping On.
It hurts. I was reamed out today – to a real degree – for asking questions about my Own fears of not getting what is only deserved – and Not more than that. But even such legitimate questions concerning the continuation of basic survival are verboten in This economy. The powers-that-be can (and Do) always point to those who have it worse off.
That is true, but it’s also used to justify things that hurt the little people. It’s not fair.
As for the tea-baggers, think: Greed. Greed is at the heart of it all, really, and Fear is at the heart of Greed, I think. Just as Mike says.
People like my tea bagger family are afraid that the Liberals just want to give everything away to people in the projects and ghettos, who they demonize for being “lazy” and so forth.
People like my tea bagger family have very little if Any compassion for truly impoverished people – esp. if their skin is dark.
People like my tea bagger family think LIberals want to just give all the jobs to the undocumented workers – the illegal immigrants.
They say: Both parties are corrupt – then they vote Republican.
HOW does anyone reason w/such people, I wonder? I have tried and failed. I can’t do it.
These people – people like my tea bagger family – are Pleased and Defiant to be racist.
They would Trust people like the Koch Brothers and say: the Dems take in big $$$ too.
Frankly, I wish Pres. Obama would play the “race card” and just stick it to people like my tea bagger family.
He’s NEVER, in a Million Years, going to get Their votes! Not only is Obama a Dem, but he’s Black. So, Why doesn’t Obama do what Alan Grayson does – not just preach tolerance of religion but call out Muslim hating for what it is: Racism!
My tea bagger relative said to me: “we wouldn’t build a Japanese Cultural Center on the Pearl Harbor site, would we?”
In truth, I didn’t have an answer because I thought: well, No, we wouldn’t, but if we did, it wouldn’t even come Close to what we did to Japan w/Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
What it we Did do that, though – build monuments and centers honoring the people who killed US?
What, exactly, is the point of making a shrine out of sites of horror? We say “Never Forget” for Horrors, and we Should Never Forget, but, too often that means: Always Hate.
It’s late and I’m tired – let me rephrase what I said:
I don’t want monuments built to the Actual terrorists or killers of anyone – be the victims of such killers American or Japanese or Jewish, etc. – but what if we honored the Cultures and Lands of the killers – the NON Fanatical parts of those cultures?
It would still be insane. I don’t need a crystal ball to know that No One would go for this idea!
Mara, Colleen, et al,
remember that Obama has CHOSEN to not DO transparency, oversight, accountability of WHAT HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO THE
U.S. ECONOMY..
AND that the only REASON for this is so those who DID IT could
remain in power. Reading Geisst’s book, “Wall Street-A History”, we see the Pecora investigations launched during the
30′s and 40′s, caused by the PUBLIC OUTCRY against the banks who ROBBED THE ECONOMY…(sound familiar?)
..it was that public outcry that provided impetus for FDR’s “NEW DEAL”…now we are back to the “OLD DEAL”..which was no “DEAL” at all…
until the American people KNOW what was done to the economy,
Republi$$K$$ans can continue their BOOGYMAN political nonsense…as Krugman and others have pointed out, this is Obama’s fault-attempting to “grow” the economy out of this..
in any case it will take over 20 years and much financial failure to get rid of the $600 Trillion hole (the U.S. economy
for one year=$15 trillion) dug for us by “investment banks” who control 95% of “derivatives” and are also monopolizing commodities-futures markets…and THEN it won’t look like before-the middle-class is NOT coming back unless corporations
are anti-trust held to account-offshoring, and offshore tax havens are gone..
I have a bad feeling ALL the hate dialogue is actually an AVOIDANCE of these REAL ISSUES…
chris,
I think you are spot-on correct, from what I can gather. This is why I’ve been having such a hard time w/politics, of late.
I still think the party of Lesser Evil/Greater Good needs our support – although Not at the expense of the truth.
Well, for *me* that is the way of sanity. The people skewing Hard Right – why doesn’t Obama make it better for them? Not that Obama is a magician, but – well my tea bagger relative thinks it’s Bad News that there is Any kind of moratorium on the Gulf Drilling.
Let’s just Destroy everything, I guess.
Some problems:
1. corporate owned media
2. Koch Bros and others who fund hate campaigns against Obama
3. Obama & Dems own complicity in republican ways
4. 8 years of Bush Horror politics
5. gullibility/stupidity of many voters
not necessarily in that order….
Chris,
That is all true. Things are not getting better and I believe to a great extent this is all distraction. Even though Glen Greewald says it isn’t. Notice all the videos here on ROF are about the Mosque and Glenn Beck? Now here’s a clip from Max Keiser talking about how the economy is NOT on the mend.
Wake up America!!!
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/920.html
Mara,
Your 5 problems are correct.
Colleen,
These distractions are Exactly what the Kock Bros. and their kind of ilk drum up – but the issues are still important ones. Maybe that’s what Glenn Greenwald meant?
Get this – today, I found out that people were wearing blue and white to honor Mother Theresa, as today, had she lived, she’d be 100 years old.
In fact, I learned that people are angry that the Empire State Building wouldn’t be flashing blue and white lights in honor of this deceased nun.
Pardon me, to all the Catholics, but I’m a little jaded about Mother Theresa. The first shock about her I received was when I read Christopher Hitchens on the topic, but then: he’s neo-con who Likes to shock (and now, poor man, he’s had the Shock of His life w/his cancer diagnosis).
THEN I read Michael Parenti on the Mother Theresa. He’s an author I Do like, esp. as he’s quite liberal.
He didn’t have much good to say about her. He wrote that she ran her shelters for poor, sick people quite poorly, and counseled all the poor people that it was God’s Will that they should suffer.
Meanwhile, whenever SHE had to get medical treatment, she was flown, first-class, all over the world for the BEST treatments! She was put up in lavish hotels.
I mean…..if Michael Parenti is correct on her, there is NOT much if Anything to admire.
Oh brother. The people around me are such nuts. I think I’m the only normal one, except I’m nuts too. But at least not Far Right nuts.
Whoops! Spelled the Koch Bros as the Kock Bros. Didn’t Mean to, really…
Mara,
Thank you for that info on Mother Theresa!!!! I didn’t know what a douche bag she really was! (why would I? I don’t pay attention to religion) As for Christopher Hitchens…I do like the man in my own way. I think he’s off that pro-Bush stuff. I’ve seen a couple of interviews with him now that he’s going through chemo. I have always enjoyed listening to him talk and I have his book “God is not Great.” He’s one of the few intellectuals around and I am sorry he has cancer.
Screw the Catholicks! Let them whine about their Mother Theresa! Blue and white? I wore a black t-shirt and denim shorts today along with my Peace Sign necklace to work.
I feel bad for you that your surrounded by nuts…I really do.
I also like the Kock brothers!!! It fits!
Colleen,
I hope we don’t offend any well-meaning, good-hearted, truly Sincere Catholics!!!!
I still am very Catholic in my own way….
(Which, *coincidentally Enough* does not seem to include any sort of church attending on my part, let alone any sort of official observations of any thing remotely Catholic or officially religious, but hey! I mean, I love God – or What*ever* is “up there”….in my own way, even though it may all be Completely Non-existent, and simply a way to the human populace trying to Desperately gain solace in the face of Ultimate Extinction).
good thing I’m a natural optimist, or i *might* get a leetle jaded….ya know?…..so Thank God! (or….well, I Don’t like to commit myself, here; got to Keep an Open Mind) – that I am basically an Upbeat Person!
Or….a delusional person…..
You know, what Really matters, Colleen (and any others who care about this) is that Liberals, be they religious or Not, are NOT out to CRAM *their* religion down everyone’s Throats!!!!
That’s what I just HAAAATE.
The far right wants to Enshrine their religion as LAW for Everyone!!!!
Well, of course, if Liberals are Not religious, they won’t be using religion to control others, but “religion” can mean many things.
Liberals are just more tolerant, overall. That’s what I LOOOOVE!!!!!
Mara and Colleen,
When it comes to religion, Israel aside, I think we usually do agree on the implications of spreading it as “God’s ambassador.” Indeed, proselytizing may be the most condescending gesture in the world since it has (historically) led to many wars on God (as well as land, $$$, oil, etc.).
Mara and NR,
You both made great points on religion! Kudos!